I am not one to believe in conspiracys but I think the current US administration has to take some of the responsibility. When you constantly get caught telling lies people start to wonder what else you are hiding.
Posted at 2007-10-31 06:26:47 [PermaLink]This kind of behavior in Hollywood did not begin with the current conflict or the current Administration. Read about one screenwriter's experience in:
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"the current US administration has to take some of the responsibility" for 9/11
How so? If Al Gore had been elected would al Qaeda not have attacked the U.S.? (Unlike, say embassy bombings, Khobar Towers, and the attack on the U.S.S. Cole?)
Did some policy of the new administration prevent the attacks from being thwarted?
"When you constantly get caught telling lies people start to wonder what else you are hiding."
Which lies are those? Did they lie about the flights? Are they hiding the passengers? Was the WTC brought down by pre-positioned demolitions?
"Professor A K Dewdney of the University of Western Ontario"
So much for higher education. Dr. Dewdney, meet Prof. Rushton.
No the lies have nothing to do with 9/11.
some examles would be.
Fema holding a press conference where only fema employees were asking questions.
Natalie Plame - something very wrong there.
The entire Iraq war being reported as an off budget item to make the debt numbers look better.
The announcement last year that they would stop publishing the M3 numbers because they cost too much?? Every major country in the world publishes M3.
Not to specifically support the Bush administration but:
Fema: could have been done by Fema alone
Plame: seemed to me to be a leftie/CIA set-up. The B. admin. responded in defence rather than expose the whole CIA
Iraq numbers: sounds like std. govt. stuff - I wouldn't get too excited given the war situation
M3: the government's buying BMWs! Now that's got to stop (unless they send me one).
"No the lies have nothing to do with 9/11."
Then why would the "lies" have anything to do the current Administration "tak[ing] some of the responsibility" for 9/11?
This paranoia was evident back in the Clinton administration. For example, at the time of the Oklahoma City bombings, some nuts on Usenet (HOME of the NUTS!) were claiming that the building's day care center was placed there by the Feds to act as a human shield (which obviously didn't work).
I'm blaming Chris Carter.
I am dismayed to hear that Prof. Dewdney is some sort of troofer.
(He's also evidently a convert to Islam, which does not dismay me, except if misguided desire to defend Islam [which it doesn't in itself need any defense in this context] led to his trooferism, which seems plausible, though I cannot determine it from outside his skull.)
His mathematical and computational work is well-regarded; I've been meaning to get the New Turing Omnibus, in fact.
His story is yet another example of people being radically incompetent outside of their areas of expertise (like Einstein with social and military policy).
Kevin, let's say that the examples you gave are actually intentional lies and misrepresentations. How would those lies lead people to believe that the govt orchestrated the massacre of thousands of its citizens? If I kite a check or give a fake phone number to a guy in a bar, does that mean that the police should consider me a likely candidate for their unsolved spree killing? After all, what was I hiding?? Govts and organizations do lie to make themselves look better. That has absolutely nothing to do with the 911 conspiracy theories.
Posted at 2007-10-31 10:46:12 [PermaLink]Kevin
"Fema holding a press conference where only fema employees were asking questions. "
A mistake in judgement, perhaps?
"Natalie Plame - something very wrong there."
A hunch is not proof of a lie.
"The entire Iraq war being reported as an off budget item to make the debt numbers look better."
Accountants tricks. Social Security, lock boxes, etc. Ring any bells? Not a lie and not limited to Bush admin.
"The announcement last year that they would stop publishing the M3 numbers because they cost too much?? Every major country in the world publishes M3."
If every major country jumped off a bridge ... yada yada. Not proof of a lie.
"When you constantly get caught telling lies people start to wonder what else you are hiding."
According to the examples you give, you consider possible differences in approaches to policy as lies. To misrepresent these differences as lies constitutes a lie on your part using your own lax criteria for judging.
A stricter and fairer interpretation would be to assume you are merely mistaken in your beliefs or that you only have suspicions but prematurely jumped to a possible faulty conclusion.
Would you like to retract your accusation in light of this fairer standard or do you have actual examples of lies that are outside the standard for politicians of any stripe or for national security reasons?
Hmmm.
What are we to make of kevin? Agent provocateur?
After all, it was VALERIE Plame, not "Natalie Plame."
A bare-faced, transparent LIE!
"When you constantly get caught telling lies people start to wonder what else you are hiding."
Well for starters, ALL politicians/Governments lie; that's what they do (best)! The real crime here is the getting caught part. Damn incompetents...;)
"Natalie Plame - something very wrong there."
Maybe he's referring to Natalie Wood. [External Link]
Valerie, Natalie - who cares. She's hot.
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